MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

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MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Yulin.Si » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:52 am

Hi all,

I am using MLife to do fatigue analysis. When it comes to the calculation of fatigue damage equivalent loads (DEL), I find some of the parameters I do not understand.

According to MLife user manual, each fatigue channel requires several input parameters

(1)"NSlopes" and "SNslopeLst" (Wohler exponent(s)): Wohler exponent (SN curve property) relates with material, such as around 10 for fiberglass (when calculating DEL of blade root bending) and 3 for steel (when calculating DEL of nacelle yaw, tower bending or mooring line etc., I guess).
(2)"BinFlag BinWidth/Number" (load range binning values): It seems the binning value decides the resolution of rainflow cycle counting.
(3)"TypeLMF" (the fixed-mean load): This parameter can be specified as a determined value, or AM for using the channel’s aggregate mean across all input files, or WM for weighting the channel’s means on a per file basis using the specified Weibull distribution.
However, I do not know which option should I choose and how to specify the value if I choose the first option, although I get some useful information from Subin's post https://wind.nrel.gov/forum/wind/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=387&p=1938&hilit=Mlife#p1938.
(4)"LUlt" (the ultimate load): I do not to know how to specify this value either. Is it a property for certain material?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards
Yulin

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Greg.Hayman » Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:32 am

Yulin,

Your questions about the specification of both L_MF and L_Ult is a common one. Unfortunately, there is no general answer that I can give you. In my opinion, the answer depends on the nature of your analysis/study, and the available information you have about your turbine design.

For generalized design studies, some people choose to perform their fatigue-life analysis without applying the Goodman correction. In MLife this is possible by setting the GoodmanFlag to zero. In this case, setting GoodmanFlag to 0 tells MLife to use the load range cycles without applying a correction, and to use a zero fixed-mean load. This correction is based on a value of L_Ult. Please refer to the MLife Theory manual for additional information regarding the application of the Goodman correction within MLife.

If you do wish to incorporate the Goodman correction, you could always use MExtremes to determine the extreme loads for a given channel and then pick an ultimate load L_Ult which makes sense given the extreme loads your design will encounter. Likewise, if you don't have a good idea of which L_MF to choose, you may wish to simply let MLife compute the fixed mean value by setting the TypeLMF setting to AM.

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Hamid.Hokmabady » Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:41 am

Hi everybody
I'm using Mlife for fatigue analysis of a NREL 5MW TLP turbine; I used the same procedure of 66 wind files created by TurbSim with different Seeds;
(is there any suggestions for seeds and the range of them?)
But here is the question:
When I get the TurbSim results I need to put them in FAST; So for each of winds I need a Hs and Ts for wave height and period; for finding these parameters I use SPM-JONSWAP which has a formula for finding Hs and Ts in these formula we need a Fetch Length which I don't know what I have to use! I decided to use 100km for that? is it right?

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:27 am

Dear Hamid,

The seeds in TurbSim or HydroDyn should be chosen randomly.

I'm not familiar with the SPM formula. Typically, we derive correlated values of wind speed, significant wave height, and peak-spectral wave period from a site-specific joint probability distribution.

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby MohamedYassin.Oukila » Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:23 am

Dear All,

I have some problems using MLife and I hope that you can help me out.
When I run Mlife using the source code, I have the "Rainflow: To many arguments" error message (the message is specified in rainflow.c and "too" is misspelled there as well). When I look at rainflow.m I find that the rainflow function requires just 2 inputs or less but in Mlife source code (compute_fatigue_per_DEL_type.m) specifies 4 inputs:

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               % Rainflow count the cycles using a mex function. 
               % For comparison, you could also using the Matlab function generate_cycles()
            cycles = rainflow(double(peaks), abs( double(lmf)), double(Fatigue.ChanInfo(iCh).LUlt), double(Fatigue.UCMult))';
          % cycles = generate_cycles( peaks, Fatigue.UCMult, double(Fatigue.ChanInfo(iCh).LUlt), double(lmf) );


Can you explain to me how you are using the rainflow function and why do I get this error?
Now, when I want to run Mlife using the compiled version Its says that it can't find the mex file cf. attached picture (even though I added it manually and I added the path to include MCR win64 folder "C:\Program Files\MATLAB\MATLAB Compiler Runtime\v716\bin\win64", I have a 64-bit windows 7) . Do you know why I have this error?

For discrete events, the user's guide says that "the damage cycles from these files are weighted by the number of occurrences of the event". This is specified using DLC_Occurrences. In the example I have in CertTest, This variable is not mentioned and I don't know how to specify it. Would Mlife read this line"10 DLC_Occurrences" If I write is just before my discrete event and allocate is to FileInfo.DLC_Occurrences ?
can you explain what this part of the code means? (in read_settings.m)

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FileInfo.DLC_Occurrences = [];


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Mohamed Yassin OUKILA
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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby MohamedYassin.Oukila » Wed Jul 02, 2014 4:05 am

About the compiled version of Mlife, I didn't have the visual studio 2010 SP1 run-time libraries. Installing it (after having the admin privileges) solved the problem.
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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Julia.Hahn » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:52 pm

Hi everyone,

I’m using FAST to simulate the influence of a blade mass imbalance on the turbine’s fatigue lifetime. When post-processing the generated data with MLife I came across a few questions which I hope you can help me out with:
1. Similar to previous posts, I’m also struggling with what value to choose for the ultimate load LUlt. On the FAQ homepage, it is recommended to use the maximum value of all time series and multiply it by several scaling factors (1.25, 2.5, 5, 10, and 20). When I do this, I can indeed observe that the DELs of my forces / bending moments are asymptotically approaching a fixed threshold for large values of LUlt. As I would prefer to analyze only as few as possible values for LUlt, I was wondering why not to pick a scaling factor of 20 immediately (LUlt = 20*max{time series})? If I interpret the text right, the bigger I choose my LUlt-value, the more exact my DEL solution should be. Is this assumption correct? And if not: how do I know I made a reasonable choice for my scaling factors / LUlt?

2. When determining the extreme value of the time series to calculate LUlt, I’m confronted with another problem. Some of my variables (e.g. LSSGagFzs) are negative across all time series, so my maximum value is negative as well. However, MLife does not accept negative LUlt-values as input arguments. Am I on the right track when I determine LUlt in this case with the absolute value of the lowest observable data point: LUlt = X*abs[min{time series}]?

3. My last question is not directly related to the ones before – nevertheless I hope for advice. I am wondering how the DEL values of spatially adjacent variables interact. For example, if I obtain a certain increase in my DEL values (e.g. DEL_RootFys_new = 1.1* DEL_RootFys_ref and DEL_RootFzs_new = 1.15* DEL_RootFzs_ref) what does that mean for the fatigue of the overall blade structure? Is there a way to predict a correlation between the DELs in different coordinate directions?

Thanks in advance – I would greatly appreciate your help!
Julia

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:55 am

Dear Julia,

Here are my answers to your questions:

1. Using a range of scaling factors simply provides a way of verifying that you are approaching the asymptotic limit, if indeed that is what you are after. The asymptotic limit is not the "more exact" answer; the best thing to do is to base LUlt on a strength (e.g., FEA) analysis of the cross section of the component in question. If you are convinced that a scaling factor of 20 is sufficient for your needs, than use it.

2. Yes, if you are basing LUlt on the time series, you should base it on the absolute maximum, so, the equation would be something like: LUlt = X*MAX( MAX( time series ), ABS( MIN( time series ) ) ).

3. I'm not sure I understand your question or know how to answer it.

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Julia.Hahn » Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:06 am

Dear Jason,

Thanks a lot for your quick reply!

1. I think I gained a better understanding for the choice of L_Ult thanks to your answer. Is it possible to paraphrase your statement like this? “Without running a FEM analysis it is not possible to predict the highest load the structure can bear precisely - as a result one has to make some kind of assumption. One possible approach to approximate L_Ult is to scale the extreme values of the time series with a certain factor X. There is no “best practice” how big X should be (depends on how conservative one wants to be).”
I found two research papers (one suggests X=1.5 and the other X=[1.5 … 4.5]), so I will most likely choose something in a similar range.

3. I admit that this question is a bit complex, but I will try to rephrase it: I am calculation the lifetime DELs for a modified parameter setting and compare it to a reference state. Out of the DEL increase I determine the new lifetime of the components t_new for the modified case (t_ new = 20a*(DEL_mod/DEL_ref)^m), assuming the structure has experienced the same damage after t_ new as the reference structure has after 20years.
As a result I get different lifetime reductions Δt = 20a - t_ new for all variables. I am now wondering what this means for the lifetime of e.g. the
a) overall blade structure when I obtain different Δt values for RootMxb and RootMzb
b) overall rotor bearing structure when I obtain different Δt values for LSSGagFys and LSSGagFzs
(certainly one cannot simply add the single lifetime reductions)?
I am sorry to bother you with this question – I just thought you have lots of experience and knowledge on how to interpret simulation results.

Kind regards - and once more thanks,
Julia

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Fri Jun 12, 2015 5:04 pm

Dear Julia,

1) Yes, I agree with your paraphrasing.

3) I'm not following everything in your question, but I believe the answer is that you should not be comparing the lifetime reduction of RootMxb against RootMyb (or the like). Instead, fatigue should be analyzed in terms of load roses--that is, one would calculate the lifetime reduction at a number of different orientations around the beam and the orientation with the least reduction is what would be expected. Load roses are discussed further in the following forum topic: viewtopic.php?t=84.

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Julia.Hahn » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:07 am

Dear Jason,

Thanks a lot for your hint with the load roses. It seems quite reasonable to take the influence of the different load orientations this way into account.
Nevertheless, I’m afraid, I have to add another 2 questions concerning this topic:

1. In your post you write that I need to consider “the orientation with the least [lifetime] reduction”. Could you please explain more in detail why you would choose the least reduction (I would have intuitively assumed that the sector with the biggest reduction is the relevant one)?

2. Making use of the load roses feature of MLife simplifies the fatigue life prediction because it reduces the number of variables I need to consider. For example I can focus on the DELs of LSSGagFyzs (= extreme values of the sector variables [LSSGagFyzs_1, LSSGagFyzs_2, ...]) instead of having to analyze the DELs of LSSGagFys and LSSGagFzs separately.
What I’m wondering now is, whether there is a way to include the effect of LSSGagFxs as well? In other words: is it possible to obtain a DEL value which represents the load level of all 3 coordinate axes integrally?

Thanks a lot – I appreciate your continuous support,
Julia

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Fri Jun 19, 2015 6:49 am

Dear Julia,

1) You're right. I meant to say that the orientation with the minimum lifetime (maximum reduction) is the one you should use.

2) Good question. The load-rose approach is common industry practice, but you are right that it doesn't account for a complicated multi-component stress state (axial, shear, bending, etc.) especially for a nonaxisymmetric cross sections composed of an anisotropic material; I'm not exactly sure how fatigue is processed for those structures.

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Julia.Hahn » Mon Jun 22, 2015 3:03 am

Dear Jason,

Once more thanks for your answer!
Your posts have contributed a lot to help me understand how to postprocess the data generated by FAST.

Kind regards,
Julia

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Koen.Lane » Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:49 am

Julia.Hahn wrote:1. I think I gained a better understanding for the choice of L_Ult thanks to your answer. Is it possible to paraphrase your statement like this? “Without running a FEM analysis it is not possible to predict the highest load the structure can bear precisely - as a result one has to make some kind of assumption. One possible approach to approximate L_Ult is to scale the extreme values of the time series with a certain factor X. There is no “best practice” how big X should be (depends on how conservative one wants to be).”
I found two research papers (one suggests X=1.5 and the other X=[1.5 … 4.5]), so I will most likely choose something in a similar range.


Hi Julia, could you please share these research papers? I am also interested in this scaling factor. Thanks.

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Re: MLife Fatigue DEL Calculation

Postby Ingrid.Loken » Tue May 09, 2017 5:47 am

Hi

I am using MLife for a fatigue analysis of the NREL 5MW OWT to study the effect of different foundation models on the fatigue damage of the tower.
I am not sure if I have understood MLife correctly, and I have a few questions.

I have run 16 different load cases in FAST, with different wind and wave parameters. Since I am considering foundations, and that the largest loads occur at the mudline, I use the fore-aft bending moment at mudline for the 16 time series (channel 53) as input to MLife to find fatigue damage at the mudline, time until failure and DEL. Please see my attached MLife input file. My questions are:

1) Is this a reasonable approach for calculating fatigue damage?

2) MLife uses a Weibull distribution to model the wind. Does this mean that the moment values from the time series are weighted according to their wind speed? I.e. that the loads from time series with very strong wind (U>WSout) contribute very little to the lifetime fatigue damage, while the load from load cases with high probability of occurence contribute the most?

3) How does MLife calculate the short term DEL? Is the wind modelled by a Weibull distribution for each time series, or is the wind speed not considered? When I look at the results for the short term DELs, the highest DELs are from the load cases with the strongest winds and highest waves, which makes sense. Do I just multiply these DELs with probaility of occurence of the load case to find out how much these load cases contribute to the total damage? Is this the approach MLife uses to find the lifetime DEL?

Thank you!

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