Dear Jason,
I'm using Fast v7 and I need to do a simple generator torque control in Simulink.
My first question is: the Generator Torque (that is one of the control inputs in Simulink block) in a "resistant" torque applied to the HSS from the generator right? and this is the same value that I have to multiply to GenSpeed to obtain the GenPower?
Also, I know that the equation of motion for the drive train ( if I refer the equation to the LSS) is:
(Jrot+T^2*Jgen)* alpha= Taero  T* GenTq where:
T=Gearbox ratio
Taero=aerodynamic torque
alpha=angular acceleration of the rotor (LSS)
In my model I have T=1 (no Gearbox) so that: (Jrot+Jgen)alpha= Taero  GenTq
so if in the Simulink model I use "GenTq=0" as input, than I have: alpha= Taero/(Jrot+Jgen) so that if Taero=costant, alpha is costant and GenSpeed ( that is equal to RotSpeed for me because T=1) is increasing linearly.
But if I run a simulation with constant wind speed I obtain that GenSpeed increases NOTlinearly. This make me think that Taero is NOT constant for a constant wind speed, so that alpha is not constant and GenSpeed is not linear.! Am I right? Can you tell me wich is the relation between wind speed and aerodynamic torque?
thank you!
Variable speed generator torque control
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Re: Variable speed generator torque control
Dear Alessandro,
Your understanding is correct.
GenTq is the electromagnetic torque applied to the highspeed shaft from the generator; positive torque for power production and negative torque for motoring conditions. The electrical power output from the turbine is GenTq multiplied by GenSpeed multiplied by a mechnicaltoelectrical efficiency loss.
Your equation is correct assuming the turbine and drivetrain are rigid (with the generator azimuth being the only degree of freedom (DOF) enabled). The equations of motion are more sophisticated when other DOFs are enabled.
In general, Taero will depend on the wind speed, rotor speed, pitch angle etc, so even with constant wind and fixed pitch, I would expect Taero and alpha to change with rotor speed. For a given rigid rotor and quasisteady aerodynamics, the torque is based on the torquecoefficient (Cq) surface dependent on tipspeed ratio and rotorcollective bladepitch angle.
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Your understanding is correct.
GenTq is the electromagnetic torque applied to the highspeed shaft from the generator; positive torque for power production and negative torque for motoring conditions. The electrical power output from the turbine is GenTq multiplied by GenSpeed multiplied by a mechnicaltoelectrical efficiency loss.
Your equation is correct assuming the turbine and drivetrain are rigid (with the generator azimuth being the only degree of freedom (DOF) enabled). The equations of motion are more sophisticated when other DOFs are enabled.
In general, Taero will depend on the wind speed, rotor speed, pitch angle etc, so even with constant wind and fixed pitch, I would expect Taero and alpha to change with rotor speed. For a given rigid rotor and quasisteady aerodynamics, the torque is based on the torquecoefficient (Cq) surface dependent on tipspeed ratio and rotorcollective bladepitch angle.
Best regards,
Jason Jonkman, Ph.D.
Senior Engineer  National Wind Technology Center (NWTC)
National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL)
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Re: Variable speed generator torque control
Dear Jason,
Thank you for your answer!
So can you say me wich is the formula for Taero or how can I extract it from Fast? Because I want to calculate the Taero for different rotor rpm and apply a GeTq that is the same so that I can reach an equilibrium condition for the LSS( and HSS). It is right?
Thank you!
Alessandro
Thank you for your answer!
So can you say me wich is the formula for Taero or how can I extract it from Fast? Because I want to calculate the Taero for different rotor rpm and apply a GeTq that is the same so that I can reach an equilibrium condition for the LSS( and HSS). It is right?
Thank you!
Alessandro

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Re: Variable speed generator torque control
Dear Alessandro,
The process for generating a torquecoefficient (Cq) surface is the same as for generating a power coefficient (Cp) or thrust coefficient (Ct) surface. You can do this with the standalone AeroDyn v15 driver e.g. see: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1989&p=10511 (this assumes the rotor is rigid). Or you can do this with FAST e.g. see: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1215&p=5281 (more difficult, but allows the rotor to be flexible).
Best regards,
The process for generating a torquecoefficient (Cq) surface is the same as for generating a power coefficient (Cp) or thrust coefficient (Ct) surface. You can do this with the standalone AeroDyn v15 driver e.g. see: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1989&p=10511 (this assumes the rotor is rigid). Or you can do this with FAST e.g. see: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1215&p=5281 (more difficult, but allows the rotor to be flexible).
Best regards,
Jason Jonkman, Ph.D.
Senior Engineer  National Wind Technology Center (NWTC)
National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL)
15013 Denver West Parkway  Golden, CO 80401
+1 (303) 384 – 7026  Fax: +1 (303) 384 – 6901
nwtc.nrel.gov
Senior Engineer  National Wind Technology Center (NWTC)
National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL)
15013 Denver West Parkway  Golden, CO 80401
+1 (303) 384 – 7026  Fax: +1 (303) 384 – 6901
nwtc.nrel.gov
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