Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Ali.Elyaakoubi » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:33 am

Thank you the problem is solved
Tell me please what is the name of drive train shaft twist angle output from FAST.

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:15 pm

Dear Ali,

The low-speed shaft twist angle is actually not an available output of the ElastoDyn module of FAST v8. But you can calculate the shaft twist by subtracting the azimuth angle on the gearbox-side of the LSS (LSSGagPxa) from the rotor azimuth angle (LSSTipPxa) (just watch out when the angles shift from just below 360 degrees to 0 degrees).

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Ali.Elyaakoubi » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:04 am

Thank you
Please what about the output; low shaft speed torque (the name of the output in FASt)

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:05 pm

Dear Ali,

RotTorq (or equivalently, LSShftMxa etc.) is the name of the low-speed shaft torque output from the ElastoDyn module of FAST v8. Please see the OutListParameters.xlsx spreadsheet provided with the FAST archive for a complete list of output channels available from the ElastoDyn module.

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Ali.Elyaakoubi » Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:13 pm

Mr Jonson
Tell me please what about the twist angle (the difference between the High shaft speed and the low shaft speed angle) in FAST, is that different from the twist angle that you have indicated me in the post Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:15 pm
Tell me also if it is equivalent to the drive train shaft twist angle
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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:06 pm

Dear Ali,

The twist angle I described above is the only drivetrain twist DOF in the ElastoDyn module of FAST v8.

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Ali.Elyaakoubi » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:28 pm

Dear Jonson
Thank you very soon response
Please I am not familiar with Mlife. I foud it a reliable tool to calculate the loads.
Can you please summarize me how I can obtain the flapwise moment and LSS torque DEL in some steps. I have confused with the multiples documentations

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:03 pm

Dear Ali,

When you say that you want to obtain the flapwise moment and LSS torque DEL, what type of DEL do you want? MLife has many options for computing DELs e.g. short-term (i.e. a separate DEL for each FAST output file) or lifetime (weighted based on the wind speed probability distribution); based on a fixed mean, zero mean, or without the Goodman correction; etc.

I suggest looking at Test01.mlif in the CertTest folder of the MLife archive to see an example of how short-term DELs are calculated.

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Ali.Elyaakoubi » Thu Apr 06, 2017 4:06 am

Dear MR Jonson
Thank you very much for the suggestion
I have read the Test but I dont revealed my study case. Realy I dont know what type of DEL correspond to my state. In fact my aim is to test the effect of my controller on the fatigue damage of the drive train and the flapwise moment
Can you please guide me how to conduct this simulation
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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:56 am

Dear Ali,

I can't tell you what type of DEL is suitable for your analysis. You should pick an approach and set the related inputs appropriately. If you don't know what type of DEL you want and/or don't know how to set the related inputs, I suggest not computing DELs. Instead, you could use the standard deviation of the loads as a proxy for fatigue.

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Ali.Elyaakoubi » Fri May 05, 2017 5:51 am

Dear Mr Jonson

Please i want to create a very fluctuant wind profile with Turbsim, i have changed the intensity turbulence A,B and C, also the IEC turbulence type and almost the profile generated is the same
Can you please explain me how to obtain a very fluctuant model

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Fri May 05, 2017 7:21 am

Dear Ali,

I'm not sure I fully understand what you want to do, but the mean wind speed and mean velocity profile are fixed in TurbSim over the simulation length. It is the variations of the velocity components about this mean profile that fluctuate over the simulation.

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Ali.Elyaakoubi » Fri May 05, 2017 7:26 am

Thank you Mr Jonson
WELL understood
I means how to generate a very turbulent wind profile (i.e holistic wind). The profile that i have obtained is a litle smooth

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Fri May 05, 2017 7:35 am

Dear Ali,

I'm still not sure I understand what you want to do, but if category "A" turbulence is not as severe as you need, you can always specify your own turbulence intensity via TurbSim input parameter IECturbc.

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Re: Simulation of an offshore Wind turbine 5MW based DFIG

Postby Ali.Elyaakoubi » Fri May 05, 2017 7:48 am

For example you can see at the image
Wehn i used the turbulent intensity (B) i obtain the below profile , i have also used turbulence intensity until 40% and always the almost the same profile whereas an author have created the profile in the top of the figure. I have never achieve to generate as that even i change the turbulence intensity, I am wondering if there is an other parameter to change

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