Questions regarding Equilibrium and Dynamic Inflow model

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Questions regarding Equilibrium and Dynamic Inflow model

Postby Majjari.Chaitanya » Tue May 03, 2016 4:23 am

Hello,

I have some questions regarding some theoretical part of BEM and DynIn models.
I have note down the following limitations of BEM and DynIn models from user manual:
BEM:
BEM has problems at very high TSR where turbine is heavily loaded. The question is how high the TSR should be? Is there a particular value because I have a simulation where TSR reaches to 18 and the results are good.
DynIn:
DynIn has problem at low wind speeds and high TSR ------ the question is:Is there any particular ratio between these two values which states the limit beyond which DynIn is unstable?

DynIn is unstable at high TSR where rotor acts like propellor --- the question is how high this TSR should be? I have a simulation where DynIn becomes unstable at TSR ~ 7 - 8

Thanks
Chaitanya

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Re: Questions regarding Equilibrium and Dynamic Inflow model

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Tue May 03, 2016 3:54 pm

Dear Chaitanya,

I'm not familiar with the limitation of BEM at high TSR. Are you referring to the comment regarding the Prandtl tip-loss model on the bottom of 5 of the old AeroDyn Theory Manual: https://nwtc.nrel.gov/system/files/AD_Theory.pdf? Regardless, we typically enable the Prandtl tip-loss model for all solutions with BEM.

I'm not sure I understand your question regarding DYNIN, but the instability of DYNIN at low wind speeds is discussed briefly in the following forum topic: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1255.

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Re: Questions regarding Equilibrium and Dynamic Inflow model

Postby Majjari.Chaitanya » Wed May 04, 2016 7:59 am

Hello Jason,

Thanks for the reply. My question regarding BEM actually refer to one the topic in forum:https://wind.nrel.gov/forum/wind/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=538&p=1942&hilit=gdw+tsr#p1942

Even my question regarding GDW (DynIn) is from the same topic.

Thanks
Chaitanya

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Re: Questions regarding Equilibrium and Dynamic Inflow model

Postby Jason.Jonkman » Wed May 04, 2016 9:23 am

Hi Chaitanya,

I'm not sure I can add anymore to what Rick said in that post. Perhaps Rick can comment further.

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